
Conversion Testing Jedi Master - Daniel Burstein - Hard Corps Marketing Show #37
The formula is strong in this episode! We discuss A/B Testing best practices and methods with Senior Director of content and marketing at MECLABS Institute, Daniel Burstein.
In this episode you will learn all about the purpose of conversion testing, why it is important to boost your conversion rate and the many factors that will impact your testing methods, both positively and negatively, to get you the results you want.
Takeaways
Testing may sound boring, but it’s all about breaking down the false obstacle we have between us and our customers - because we are not our customers.
Remember that sometimes we are an entirely different demographic than our audience.
The testing mindset is that we don’t know everything. We’re forming hypotheses, we’re trying to be open and trying to learn.
Make sure you are considering different day-to-day technology. We have to realize we aren’t experiencing the marketing, website and social that our customers do.
Test for different web browsers. Each one is unique and they all might behave differently.
Remember, each and every one of us has a different view of our companies or our clients’ companies than our customers do.
Start your conversion testing by determining who your ideal customer is.
The most powerful thing that affects conversions is the customers’ motivations.
Know your value proposition. You cannot change the customer’s motivation, but you can change your value proposition.
Incentive (the bacon of marketing tactics) is the element that is most used and abused by marketers. It’s not a solid long-term tactic.
Don’t forget the negative elements to conversion testing: friction and anxiety.
Links
Twitter: @DanielBurstein
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielburstein/
meclabs.com
marketingsherpa.com
marketingexperiments.com
Free Guide for Optimizing Webpages: https://www.marketingsherpa.com/freestuff/the-MECLABS-guide-for-optimizing-your-webpages-and-better-serving-your-customers
Heuristic Cheat Sheet: https://marketingexperiments.com/conversion-marketing/10-heuristic-cheat-sheet
Conversion Sequence Heuristic: https://meclabs.com/about/heuristic
The formula is strong in this episode! We discuss A/B Testing best practices and methods with Senior Director of content and marketing at MECLABS Institute, Daniel Burstein.
In this episode you will learn all about the purpose of conversion testing, why it is important to boost your conversion rate and the many factors that will impact your testing methods, both positively and negatively, to get you the results you want.
Takeaways
- Testing may sound boring, but it’s all about breaking down the false obstacle we have between us and our customers - because we are not our customers.
- Remember that sometimes we are an entirely different demographic than our audience.
- The testing mindset is that we don’t know everything. We’re forming hypotheses, we’re trying to be open and trying to learn.
- Make sure you are considering different day-to-day technology. We have to realize we aren’t experiencing the marketing, website and social that our customers do.
- Test for different web browsers. Each one is unique and they all might behave differently.
- Remember, each and every one of us has a different view of our companies or our clients’ companies than our customers do.
- Start your conversion testing by determining who your ideal customer is.
- The most powerful thing that affects conversions is the customers’ motivations.
- Know your value proposition. You cannot change the customer’s motivation, but you can change your value proposition.
- Incentive (the bacon of marketing tactics) is the element that is most used and abused by marketers. It’s not a solid long-term tactic.
- Don’t forget the negative elements to conversion testing: friction and anxiety.
Links
- Twitter: @DanielBurstein
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielburstein/
- meclabs.com
- marketingsherpa.com
- marketingexperiments.com
- Free Guide for Optimizing Webpages: https://www.marketingsherpa.com/freestuff/the-MECLABS-guide-for-optimizing-your-webpages-and-better-serving-your-customers
- Heuristic Cheat Sheet: https://marketingexperiments.com/conversion-marketing/10-heuristic-cheat-sheet
- Conversion Sequence Heuristic: https://meclabs.com/about/heuristic
Creators and Guests

Host
Casey Cheshire
CEO & Founder of Ringmaster Conversational Marketing. Casey Cheshire is a marketer, serial entrepreneur, and adventurer. He has been in EO for close to 10 years and counts his relationships as a key reason for his continued success. Casey’s passion for podcasting led to him founding Ringmaster Conversational Marketing. Ringmaster helps B2B businesses launch podcasts that drive growth and revenue. Previously, Casey founded and ran Cheshire Impact for 10 years. It became the top Salesforce Pardot marketing automation solutions partner in the world before a successful exit in 2021. He is also a US Marine Corps Veteran where he served in the Infantry and deployed to some very hot climates. In his free time, Casey likes to skydive, climb mountains, and pretend to be a hungry bear for his two kids.