
Why Marketing Is Not Sales’ Butler ft Kyle Chumas | Hard Corps Marketing Show | Ep 395
How can strategic marketing partnerships and long-term planning drive sustainable business growth?
In this episode of The Hard Corps Marketing Show, I sat down with marketing strategist and consultant Kyle Chumas, who brings over 15 years of experience to the conversation. We dive deep into the vital role marketing plays as a strategic partner in business success—not just a tool for driving sales.
Kyle emphasizes the importance of long-term investment over short-term gains, cross-team alignment to meet business goals, and the value of market research in crafting effective strategies. We also discuss how AI is transforming marketing and the need to adapt strategies to better understand and engage your target audience.
In this episode, we cover:
- Why marketing should be viewed as a key business partner, not just a sales function
- The role of market research and long-term strategy in business growth
- How AI and data can help marketers connect with their audience more effectively
- The power of patience, planning, and continuous learning for sustained success
If you're looking to elevate your marketing strategy and create lasting business impact, this episode is packed with insights you won’t want to miss!
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Connect with Kyle:
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kylechumas/
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Creators and Guests

Host
Casey Cheshire
CEO & Founder of Ringmaster Conversational Marketing. Casey Cheshire is a marketer, serial entrepreneur, and adventurer. He has been in EO for close to 10 years and counts his relationships as a key reason for his continued success. Casey’s passion for podcasting led to him founding Ringmaster Conversational Marketing. Ringmaster helps B2B businesses launch podcasts that drive growth and revenue. Previously, Casey founded and ran Cheshire Impact for 10 years. It became the top Salesforce Pardot marketing automation solutions partner in the world before a successful exit in 2021. He is also a US Marine Corps Veteran where he served in the Infantry and deployed to some very hot climates. In his free time, Casey likes to skydive, climb mountains, and pretend to be a hungry bear for his two kids.